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My Rant on FL Studio and Version 8

Over on CDM, Peter has another great, but controversial article. I guess that it's just supposed to be a run down of the new features in FruityLoops 8, but as a dedicated FruityLoops user, I find some of the assertions somewhat puzzling.

SynthMaker for FruityLoops FruityLoops' custom version of synthmaker ... hawt (pic from CDM)

In Peter's article, he points out that FruityLoops isn't like the other DAWs on the market. Like Ableton, it kind of needs its own category. Peter then goes through a list of some of the new features, and I admit that a few of them are geenuinely hawt. The two most important upgrades, in my opinion, are the addition of a bundled version of SynthMaker, and an improved version of Edison.

Make your own instruments and effects: FL is bundled with FL SynthMaker, an “FL-native” version of one of the best DIY plugin makers on any platform. You can now build your own MIDI “dashboards”, effects, and instruments without coding and share what you’ve made with other FL users.
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Beefed-up Edison: Edison, an editor/recorder that’s integrated with FL, was already good stuff. Now it also does audio-to-MIDI analysis, records larger files, and lets you mark and dump sound to the Playlist. There’s also an interesting improvement that does gaps filling and drum loop stretching — more on that and the overall workflow here soon.

Still, FruityLoops has faced the same flaws since its inception, and these apparently aren't going to be addressed in version 8. Peter hypes up version 8 to the Nth degree, but he ignores the fact that what makes FruityLoops great is also what makes it terrible (I say this as a current and long time FruityLoops user). For instance, take a look at the list that he cites:

1. FL’s approach to sequencing is like nothing else.
2. It’s kind of a ridiculous value.
3. It keeps getting better.
4. It’s not for everyone.
5. It’s a reason to use Windows.

Do you see the contradiction there? It's kind of subtle.

As a semi-professional user of FruityLoops 3 through 7, I can unequivocally state that numbers 1 and 4 on that list conflict with numbers 2 and 3.

The truth is that number 1 on that list basically negates number 2. FruityLoop's approach is so unique that it negates the value pricing. If you want to use FruityLoops, you basically have to commit to another DAW. So while you will save money by getting everything you get with FruityLoops, you will still find it necessary to purchase another DAW to streamline your recording ... so the final price you pay will end up being about as much as if you had just bought another product in the first place.

Some people will probably strenuously disagree with that assertion, but let me explain.

The FL interface is built like a hybrid tracker/sampler. Normally, you run it with a sampler window open and a tracker-style sequencing window open (and probably your mixer window). What's missing from that equation? A traditional timeline view. So in version 7, they tack the timeline view onto the bottom of the tracker window in a way that is neither convenient nor pretty. This way you can see how your recorded audio lines up with your loops. If you're like me, however, most of your projects blend loops AND recorded tracks. Personally, I often use about 4 or 5 loop tracks with about the same number of audio tracks. Each loop track usually has 8 to 10 loops in it, so this amounts to around 40 loops. This creates a massive visualization problem where you can't see all of your loops and audio tracks at the same time, and you end up spending so much time scrolling around the window that your productivity goes down.

Where is the dedicated timeline view? Honestly, you're about 3 years overdue with that one.

The other issue I have is with plugins. You can only add 8 plugins per mixer channel. That doesn't sound like much of a limitation, until the day you need to use 10 plugins. Then you have to use 2 mixer channels for one instrument ... and that is lame.

I have no idea why Image-Line hasn't reverted to the somewhat industry standard implementations of these two things. It seems like basic intransigence, since the way most programs handle plugins and the timeline is pretty standard and pretty solid.

I have a bunch of other little quibbles with the interface, and the overall design of the program, and until those issues are addressed, none of these extra little features are going to help. I hate to rain on your parade, Image-Line, but beat slicing effect became industry standard about 2 years ago, so slicex seems kind of gratuitous. Especially when free plugins like Glitch and LiveCut already address this issue (for the most part).

Finally, I want to point out that I am a FL Studio apologist. I LOVE FL Studio for making drum loops. Image-Line's FPC is my favorite drum sampler, especially with all the free kits that come with it! I also love Image-Lines general sampler plugin, DirectWave. It is, in my opinion, actually better than Kontakt, and that is quite a feat.

RANT CONCLUSION: I want to love FruityLoops version 8, I do. And I can see that Image-Line is trying, but they seem to be missing the point. Until they address the design problems at the core of the FruityLoops experience, those flaws will always force it to be a second-rate DAW. Until Image-Line redesigns the experience from the ground up, FL Studio will always be your backup piece of music software. It will remain the software that is great to have around, but isn't good enough to be your number one.

Thanks, Peter for continuing to run my favorite blog, and writing another piece that forces me to write a rebuttal. Keep it up!


March 24, 2008
FL User 101 at 2008-03-24 20:27:34Egocentric
"This creates a massive visualization problem where you can't see all of your loops and audio tracks at the same time" Nor can you in any other DAW I have used. As projects grow in complexity they all have issues giving you a clear view of everything that is going on. I personally have no problem with FL Studio in this area. "The other issue I have is with plugins. You can only add 8 plugins per mixer channel. That doesn't sound like much of a limitation, until the day you need to use 10 plugins. Then you have to use 2 mixer channels for one instrument ... and that is lame." That's a lame comment. So what if you need two channels? There are 64 available. Perhaps you need to learn to use the "send channels' too? It's a non problem. The strictly 'track based' approach you seem to be favoring limits flexibility. It seems to me that you lack a bit of planning and discipline when constructing FL projects. One thing that DOES bug me about the upper and lower areas of the Playlist is that you cant select across both. I also strenuously disagree that you need another program besides FL Studio, I use it as my main DAW in a professional advertising/video post-production environment, no problems. This involves multi-tracking vocalists, voice-overs, sound FX, video scoring etc.
daveyoneeye at 2008-03-25 04:49:26
'industry standard' is normally something to avoid. This is why many audio sequencers have horrible mixers based on the poorly designed hardware precursors. It is healthier to have programs that take a different angle on things, in my opinion. thanks.
evan at 2008-03-25 06:25:55Hmm
@FL User 101:
Like I say in my article, I used FL Studio as my main DAW for years, when I primarily made loop based music. I still use it for some things. I still keep it updated. I still like it.
Nonetheless, it is FAR from perfect. Even you admit that the playlist window is flowed. Maybe you don't mind using a workaround for more than 8 plugins. It's not a huge deal, but it does irk me.
Like I said, until they fix some basic design problems, none of these extra features will ever make FL Studio my main DAW. I stand by that.
@DaveyOneEye:
Industry standard IS something to avoid ... sometimes. But if you do something that is different from the standard, then it had better be BETTER than the industry standard.

daveyoneeye at 2008-03-25 07:11:54
...and who can say whether it is better or not? I can, because I use it and prefer it to many applications that function otherwise. Each to his own I suppose. I like the IL 'philosophy', some don't! thanks.
shut it at 2008-03-26 06:59:09dogs
the ability to side chain any parameter in fl studio since version 3. what else can i say, i don't see any other sequencer/ daw that can do this. the end
Kemmler at 2008-04-02 13:05:05
Your problem with the playlist window seems to be really subjective. I agree that it'd be nice to have audio clips and patterns in the same panel. But it doesn't really disrupt my workflow. I don't think this is a "serious design" problem, more like a "pet peeve".
Umm at 2008-04-02 19:10:49Pattern Clips
You already can see audio clips and pattern clips in the same window, its called Pattern clips, and makes the "blocks" obsolete. Have you even used FL recently, like, version 7 to 8? You like the old school approach, which is fine, but hey man, everyone went digital over analogue, and FL is the new digital.
ClintonAteMyBaby at 2008-04-02 20:02:13Rant?
Your arguments are weak. Weak like those of a little girly man. Fl Studio 8 will pump you up!
at 2008-04-03 10:31:46
This review is utter rubbish.As if you need another sequencer if you use FLStudio! Why do you even use FL if you hate it so much?
ClaudeWalker at 2008-04-03 12:02:14Your basing your arugment that FL is not a DAW
1. FL’s approach to sequencing is like nothing else. - although it is different, you can still do pretty much anything any other DAW can do. 2. It’s kind of a ridiculous value. - Because it has the functionality of every other DAW it's much cheaper 3. It keeps getting better. - it keeps getting more features and staying competitive. 4. It’s not for everyone. - snobs that don't know much about production feel pro-tools is the end all be all, because it has been the industry standard for so long. People think reason is great because it has cords on the back and they think hardware is the end all be all because someone better than them uses it. Plus the presets for Reason are basically ready made song components, so when people think they are making music they are really just putting premade songs together. "The truth is that number 1 on that list basically negates number 2. FruityLoop's approach is so unique that it negates the value pricing." No because it has the capabilities of every other DAW. DAW's are basically the same with some small nuances to each one. If you wanted one more geared for recording then by all means get one for recording. I think what your expecting is unrealistic and not useful. Why would you want all DAW's to be exactly the same, and have all of the same features? "Then you have to use 2 mixer channels for one instrument ... and that is lame." Hardly an issue. " so slicex seems kind of gratuitous. Especially when free plugins like Glitch and LiveCut already address this issue (for the most part)." Gitch is not a beatslicer. Livecut, the GUI is poor and the results are very "livecut" Using Slicex you can route each slice to a different effect channel. kisses, JOe K.
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